Talk:Hilbert's Basis Theorem

Do we need to specify "a Noetherian ring with identity" since by definition a N.R is already a "commutative ring with identity"? --prime mover 05:37, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well as defined on this site, a ring automatically has identity, since the multiplicative part of the ring forms a group in the definition. The trick, of course, is that not all texts define ring this way; in many texts they call a ring what this site calls a semiring.   Secondly, the existence of an ideal in an algebraic structure does not necessarily imply the existence of an identity in that structure (I think - does it?) So although my class notes specify that the ring have an identity, I'm not sure that it's necessary.  Something to think on.  J D Bowen 06:00, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "as defined on this site, a ring automatically has identity" - nope, go check ring. The additive part does form a group, but the multiplicative part may only be a semigroup. This is important.


 * $$\left\{{\ldots, -4, -2, 0, 2, 4, \ldots}\right\}$$ is a ring, but has no multiplicative identity. Can't stop to discuss it at the moment, I have to go to work, I'll be back to look at it again this evening. --prime mover 07:00, 10 September 2010 (UTC)