User talk:Kc kennylau

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Cheers! prime mover (talk) 16:56, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Refactoring
Please don't do any more refactoring jobs till you have learned what is needed to be done. --prime mover (talk) 10:21, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Uh, sorry and ok. By the way, is refactoring splitting pages to smaller pages and renaming them to "Corollary", "Proof 1", "Proof 2", etc? --Kc kennylau (talk) 10:24, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * And maybe you could create a page called Refactoring teaching newbies like me how to refactor (and any other processes as well). --Kc kennylau (talk) 10:26, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Because I got the wrong meaning of refactoring in the category description: Usually this means being split into several pages (probably as subpages transcluded into a master page). --Kc kennylau (talk) 10:33, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * We haven't gotten round to that (and in fact, it is probably good that newbies do not concern themselves with site-structural maintenance tasks; that's a different discussion altogther). There are many conventions regarding it that currently reside only in my and PM's head, which is indeed somewhat unfortunate. Once you've seen us do a few dozen, you'll get the hang of it.


 * Refactoring is indeed partially the splitting of larger pages into smaller ones. However, we like our pages to be self-contained and make sense, so there are some additional conventions. In our lingo, refactoring can also mean "there is a large project spanning a potentially large amount of pages which needs considerable time and thought devoted to it, and should ideally be completed in a single dash". But anyway, I'm not going to try and explain all that right now. Just one piece of advice: should you refactor, and be unsure about an uncommon situation, ask us. This prevents frustration. &mdash; Lord_Farin (talk) 11:44, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I think that perhaps you can give us some examples of pages that you have refactored to teach use how to refactor. Should you not be able to find any, you can still teach us how to refactor by words, instead of just leaving that thought in your mind. --Kc kennylau (talk) 12:16, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I think that perhaps you could first try to familiarise yourself with the site-specific house style rules by reading the relevant help sections, by keeping track of our changes to your (and others') contributions, and by generally browsing the site. Perhaps in a few weeks/months, we'll reconsider. Nonetheless -- let me stress this -- your eagerness and enthusiasm are greatly appreciated. &mdash; Lord_Farin (talk) 13:09, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I wanna ask Prime.mover how can I learn how to refactor if you don't allow me to refactor? --Kc kennylau (talk) 23:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Please see the relevant section of the Frequently Asked Questions page, as this has come up before.


 * To put it bluntly, we request that refactoring work is not undertaken by new contributors.


 * I note that we can't actually stop you from taking on refactoring work, except by blocking you from contributing altogether, and that's something we would rather not do. But from the results of the work you have already done, it is clear that you have not yet garnered the appropriate overview of how our pages adhere to house style.


 * There have been contributors who have immediately grasped the concepts of our house style and write style-perfect pages practically straight away. We note that not everyone has those skills. But till you have taken on the house style discipline, please respect our request, as it causes more work than it saves us. --prime mover (talk) 10:20, 7 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for adding a new section in the FAQ just for me. I am very touched. I promise I won't do any maintenance until I reach 1000 edits. --Kc kennylau (talk) 11:14, 7 July 2013 (UTC)


 * It wan't just for you. As I say, this issue has come up before. --prime mover (talk) 14:14, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

We don't do forgiveness
"Forgive me for embarking on this refactoring task".

Please respect our requests. I understand your enthusiasm for whatever it is you're enthusiastic about, but I really would prefer you not to embark on refactoring. Please do not keep on asking why, and please do not keep on raising the subject.

I also appreciate that you have taken time to get to grips with house style, and pages are improving, but we still request that refactoring be done by more experienced contributors.

Be aware that in extremis you can be blocked from editing. I don't want to do this because it would ultimately be unfair, but it is still an option. --prime mover (talk) 08:46, 13 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I will improve. --kc_kennylau (talk) 10:13, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Categories
Another matter which has come up before.

Please don't initiate categories until you are more familiar with the way this site works. (a) The one you added did not conform to naming style and (b) I'm unconvinced that we really need such a category anyway.

While it is relatively easy to rename pages and set up redirects etc. in the case where pages are suboptimally named, it is not so easy to do this with categories. --prime mover (talk) 20:00, 13 July 2013 (UTC)


 * OK, I'll improve. --kc_kennylau (talk) 05:06, 14 July 2013 (UTC)