Talk:Scope (Logic)/Examples/Arbitrary Example 3

Reason for Edit During Active Revision
Sorry to make another edit when User:Prime.mover is busy trying to update the page, but I noticed that I gave an erroneous example when I added a scope for $ < $ in the table(both definitions refer to logical connectives and so the $ < $ wouldn't be covered by either). I hope this did not cause any confusion. Nekomusumeninaritai (talk) 23:31, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Examples of Alternative Definitions
User:Prime.mover has recently refactored this definition to be more consistent with others included on Definition:Scope (Logic), and it certainly is much tidier. However, examples for Definition:Scope (Logic)/Connective and Definition:Scope (Logic)/Quantifier were deleted in favor of the first definition on that page. But these definitions are different and currently no example on that page illustrates that. For example, the scope $\lor$ is $\exists x: \paren {x < y}$ and $y = 0$, but is $\exists x: \paren {x < y} \lor y = 0$ using \Definition:Scope (Logic)/Connective. Should a separate example page have been created under the namespace Definition:Scope (Logic)/Connectice to illustrate this definition, or was this just an unavoidable cut necessary to make this example legible?Nekomusumeninaritai (talk) 17:13, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


 * O'Connor and Powell give the definition as given on the page Definition:Scope (Logic), that is, the bits on either side of the connective. Basson and O'Connor defines the scope in the same way.
 * Borowski and Borwein define the scope as the whole thing including the connective. Lemmon the same. Suppes the same but he only talks about the scope of a quantifier.
 * Is it worth raising both definitions?
 * Honestly I find the distinction pointless. --prime mover (talk) 20:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

I get where you're coming from. No worries. I will take the time to craft it into a decent shape, now I understand what you mean. (I am afraid I dislike the Wikitable format, it looks like grey prison bars to me. I will dig out (or craft) an appropriate template so we can present the table looking good.) --prime mover (talk) 22:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Rename
User:Prime.mover has suggested this page be renamed by adding the appropriate template, and I agree. At the least, the title of the page should have consistent number (i.e. not have the phrase "a Nonzero Natural Numbers"). Additionally, rereading the Help:Page_Editing, I noticed Help:Page_Editing which discourages the use of the article a in page names. I am not aware of a way to make this correction myself as a normal user, or I would have already. I am also not sure if there are other issues with the name, but have no strong preference for any name that might be chosen. Nekomusumeninaritai (talk) 06:42, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I happen to have found the page Help:Renaming Pages. It confirms that a trusted user must be the one to rename the page.Nekomusumeninaritai (talk) 06:48, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The way it sits now is the style which has evolved over the years. While it is of course to a certain extent arbitrary, we believe that internal site-wide consistency is a fundamental feature of . Hence this is the way we go with this sort of thing. --prime mover (talk) 16:47, 31 July 2023 (UTC)